Wednesday, June 21, 2006

# Posted 9:55 AM by Patrick Porter  

WELL SAID: I recall what Oz Prime Minister John Howard said after the London bombings, when a journalist suggested that the main cause was Blair's policies in Iraq:

Can I remind you that the murder of 88 Australians in Bali took place before the operation in Iraq. And I remind you that the 11th of September occurred before the operation in Iraq. Can I also remind you that the very first occasion that bin Laden specifically referred to Australia was in the context of Australia's involvement in liberating the people of East Timor. Are people by implication suggesting we shouldn't have done that?

When a group claimed responsibility on the website for the attacks on the 7th of July, they talked about British policy not just in Iraq, but in Afghanistan. Are people suggesting we shouldn't be in Afghanistan? When Sergio de Mello was murdered in Iraq—a brave man, a distinguished international diplomat, a person immensely respected for his work in the United Nations—when al Qaeda gloated about that, they referred specifically to the role that de Mello had carried out in East Timor because he was the United Nations administrator in East Timor.

Now I don't know the mind of the terrorists. By definition, you can't put yourself in the mind of a successful suicide bomber. I can only look at objective facts, and the objective facts are as I've cited. The objective evidence is that Australia was a terrorist target long before the operation in Iraq.

And indeed, all the evidence, as distinct from the suppositions, suggests to me that this is about hatred of a way of life, this is about the perverted use of principles of the great world religion that, at its root, preaches peace and cooperation. And I think we lose sight of the challenge we have if we allow ourselves to see these attacks in the context of particular circumstances rather than the abuse through a perverted ideology of people and their murder.
Its refreshing to reread a statement which applies logical analysis to the chronology, nature and ideological basis for the attacks, recognising that this kind of terrorism may have immediate grievances, but it also has ultimate ones.

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A Personal Letter

How can an entire world allow a ruler to govern when that ruler is, and has been proven time and again to be, a liar? Surely if a lie is told that leads to the deaths of innocent civilians and solders, that lie must taken responsibility for, it is murder isn’t it? Bush is responsible and yet nobody is willing to enforce the law that would impeach this killer.

The President of the United States is, among his other crimes, guilty of multiple murders all around the world, yet you, the people of the world, are so afraid of his power that you tolerate this criminal and allow him to continue on his murderous rampage unopposed.

Have you forgotten that a liar is determined to maintain his lies, he lies to frighten you, he will say anything to keep you paralyzed with fear and thus maintain his control over you.

To the peoples of other nations, do you really think that Bush is just the leader of the American people, he and his people live so far away from most of you, you seem to think that he is not your problem, think again. The President of the United States is your problem; he has defied your international agreements, murdered your people, stolen you natural resources and forced you into an illegal, immoral war.

Through his deceitful lies, Bush has taken away your power and if you think he won’t enforce his stolen authority think about this again as well. You live on this globe as well, there is no where to run, Bush is a complete nut, he actually believes that the world was created in 7 days, he reads the bible as though he were still a child in Sunday School.

The really scary thing that is never spoken of is that Bush wants to end your world and bring about the end of time, the fairy tale as it is written in the book of Revelations. He believes his version of Christianity is the only true religion and he is determined to prove that he is right.

Bush doesn’t care how many children have to live in pain and disability, or die needlessly at the point of a gun. He will gleefully order their deaths to further his own evil ends, and your opinion is, to him, irrelevant. He doesn’t care about the misery and bloodshed, he wants it, he said as much when he came before the world and said to the terrorists “Bring it on”. Is that the diplomatic verbiage of a President or the shear stupidity of a mindless, immature, child?

Look at his record thus far, Bush hasn’t been right about much of impotance and yet you, the people of planet earth, allow him ultimate power over life and death. The Earth is living on borrowed time and the way things are going, your children will suffer the consequence of shame as the try to repair the mess you leave for them. They will remember our time as we remember the time of the Nazis, we don’t ask, why did our parents allow Hitler to cause such misery, because we know that, at the time, they did not know, however the same is not true now, now we have the Internet, satellite television, cell phones, we have such technology in our time that it is virtually impossible to hide the terror of Bush. We are not like our parents, we know and we do nothing to stop the monster. We are either compliant murders along with Bush and his cronies or else we are not, and we speak out, how will your children remember you?

I am already full of shame, I ran when I first realized the danger Bush posed even within the US. I will not deny the truth anymore though; I no longer care what happens to me, there is no point to the world if it is in darkness and unhappy. I simply do not want to leave this world knowing that I could, at least, have told the truth.

so you don't like Bush, then?
Yeah, I'd say he didn't vote Bush in '04 ;)

As for the quote, I think Howard hits on an important point. The problem with some critics of the administration (not all, as I have tried in vain the last 48 hours to make a distinction on my blog--what a joy that has been :) ) is that they draw the erroneous conclusion that the political gripe fueling terrorist actors is Iraq. Yes and no. Sure, some have emerged to rally to the cause because of Iraq, and it surely has been used by terrorist organizations as great marketing material, but if Iraq never happened we would still have these organizations and have to endure their attacks—and this is coming from someone who has always believed and argued that Iraq was a strategic misstep, and unnecessary war. Do I think Iraq helped? No. But too many assume that the Robert Pape story is true—terrorism is the result of occupying foreign powers. Again, it may have something to do with it, but it is far from the entire story with Islamic Fundamentalists—anyone with a passing understanding of the likes of Bin Laden and his ilk surely understand this.
hey bill,

yes, i think the occupation element is part of it (eg USA in Saudi Arabia), but only as a transitional goal of radical Islam. the ultimate goal is conquest. its not just a defensive zealotry! the dream is to convert/subdue the infidel and restore a lost empire, and pushing the infidel out of holy land is the first step.
Pushing the infidel out of the holy land, Persia, the Mahgreb, Spain, the arc across to Mindanao etc--all these are but waypoints along the way. AQ know that the majority aren't held by long-term goals, but need short-term milestones, too, from the immediacy of suicide bombing to the intermediate. Problem is: what are our waypoints?
all i know is that robbi is going to be getting *a lot* of spam! :D

Note to robbi: I say that cos you've got your email @ the bottom spam bots look for @. Just for next time.
I am not sure why but i responded to robbi's letter with an email. I took apart each paragraph, (once again not sure) i guess 'cos i doubt anyone else had so...i decided to. maybe he accepts the intellectual rigor of a differing viewpoint. And one that has logic. Albeit, a very small amount ;)

my comments are in parantheses.

(murder is only when someone personally goes up and murders someone, or orders someone to kill a specific person. Sadaam did that. Bush has not ordered anyone personally to go out and kill specific individuals unless you have some hard evidence you decided to leave out of your letter)

(see above. Also, there are alot of people in the world who like what he is doing. The fact that a leader stands for democritzation and does something about it other than talk, really does strike a chord with people who do not live in a democracy. Trust me I know, Ive lived alll over the world, met with people who dont live in democracies or have lived in ex-authoritarian states)

(umm...lies. Well, let me give you a list of leaders who haven't lied. There was...let me get back to you. I seriously do not think he lied about anything, in this war.)

(Defied international agreements: Sadaam did that! Murdered: Sadaam actually did that too! Stolen your resources: hey! Another fault against 80% of the world's leaders! But wait, what did Bush steal...see I missed that whole thing...forced? Really? That's why so many nations *chose* to join the coalition to oust Sadaam? Thats why so many are *choosing* to leave the coalition? Illegal? Nope. Sorry, Iraq was hardly a sovereign state. And let's not forget the laws that several nations opposed to the war broke. I won't get into a debate as to whether or not Int'l law exists however, I will if you want. Immoral, ok the the war was immoral in some aspects. Ill grant you that! But wait, that helps to create peace in Iraq today how?)

(Don't think he took any power from anyone. THen again, we do live in a unipolar world so we do control the power. He didn't steal any authority from any nation, you can't do that. Umm...I highly doubt Bush is insane. A little aloof yes, smart, no. Crazy, no)

(so Bush wants to end the world, where do you get this from? What's your evidence. Not anecdotal btw. And when did he say that he wants to prove his religion is right?)

(Um. wow. wow. Um. Wow. Wow. Let's see, so bush is a psycopathic killer. Well, wow. I want to know once again, where this comes from that someone could be so sick that he wants to slaughter babies. Is it because he started a war? So then, FDR is burning in hell then cause WWII is only of a slightly greater magnitude than this one. Oh and when we are attacked--not by a state so its kinda hard to apply the rules of diplomacy there, but we should be ashamed cos they extended the diplomatic way to us with that whole flying some planes into civillians workspace thing, quite sporting of the terrorist chaps if you ask me. Oh and I guess he cares so little about the world that he created the budget with the highest amount of foreign aid ever in us history)

(when has bush expressed a desire to become emperor and take over the world? I missed that one.)

(hmm, well your truth as it were doesn't seem to be grounded in much reality and you seem to be upset at bush for stopping leaders who did what you think was egregious. In truth, you are a hypocrite)

I hope you take the time to respond to this note.

Best regards,
Yep, another bible believing nut, just like: Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa, JFK, FDR, Churchill, Lincoln etc. What a bunch of nut cases indeed. Sheesh.

Anyway, I recently finished reading: Islamic Imperialism, A History by Efraim Karsh. An excellent read with an impressive bibliography.

A Personal Letter

How can an entire world be allowed to forget that the first ruler and creator of Islam (and practically all the subsequent followers of him from antiquity): Lied, Killed innocent civilians, was guilty of multiple murders.. Seemingly just to steal others "resources"...
I must confess that my three weeks in Sarawak was a blessed relief from the 'war on terror'. They just don't have one over there. I'm sure the risk is probably the same, and I hope it never visits that country's fair shores. But people don't live in the same constant fear as they do in Australia. I don't know why not. Seems crazy not to be afraid, doesn't it?

Oh for a little courage now and then in the face of one's enemies. Thank goodness too that Mahathir told the IMF and World Bank where to stick their stupid advice, or we could have ended up like Indonesia.
"...the perverted use of principles of the great world religion that, at its root, preaches peace and cooperation..."
Howard is a fine fellow, but someone should have asked him to identify the location of the 'root' that preaches peace
and cooperation. He probably was referring to the early verses of the Koran that were totally abrogated by the later warrior/triumphalist verses.
"...the perverted use of principles of the great world religion that, at its root, preaches peace and cooperation..."
Howard is a fine fellow, but someone should have asked him to identify the location of 'root' that preaches peace
and cooperation. He probably was referring to the early verses of the Koran that were totally abrogated by the later warrior/triumphalist verse.
sorry about the cloned message - Im not too good at this...
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