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Friday, August 11, 2006

# Posted 4:00 AM by Patrick Porter  

WINNING AND LOSING: Even a foiled (alleged) attack on aircraft still inflicts psychological damage on us. Milan makes an excellent point:

While we can all be very glad this alleged plot was foiled the new rules on carry-on baggage are going to make travelling long distances by plane truly hellish.Without more information, it is impossible to evaluate how justified they are, but they certainly appear to be quite onerous.

No water; no books, magazines, or newspapers; no portable electronics of any kind. Of course, either the restrictions or all duty-free shopping will eventually have to go...Such is the power of terrorism: even when we win, we lose.

I'm not sure how long these restrictions will last. And I can see some sense in them.

But as well as the fear of being blown up in mid-air, there is the more insidious fear of mutating from an open society into a closed society, a society forced to seek entertainment from films like 'You've got mail part 8' while flying. Its a tricky problem.

In the meantime, if this was indeed a real plot, congratulations for once should be extended to Britain's intelligence and police services for a job well done.
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Comments:
Maybe they should sell travel insurance just like they sell auto insurance. You can see that the Online Insurance Quote rates have gone up maybe it's because of the terrorism.
 
Your "Milan" link doesn't work. Otherwise, good point...
 
Wait a minute. The Brits have troops in Iraq. How did their domestic security services stop this plot when so many "resources" have been diverted away?
 
sorry ivo, have now fixed the link

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We must cut the funding for terrorism by reducing our reliance on Middle Eastern oil - our humble suggestion.

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"How did their domestic security services stop this plot when so many "resources" have been diverted away?"

That's easy. They didn't politicize their intelligence services by appointing a political hack (Porter Goss). Also, in the advent of a disaster, they didn't appoint a political hack (Michael Brown).

Any other dumb questions?
 
"Any other dumb questions?"

How about you really answer my question. That's a dumb question because I know you won't answer it. The Left has been insisting that armored divisions and Apache helicopters in Iraq are diverting "resources" away from domestic security. Now that the Brits have successfully stopped a major attack, without the use of their armed forces, will the Left stop insisting on making borderline retarded/illogical arguments? I don't have high hopes.
 
silly comment about losing even when we win. what is really lost some passenger inconvenience that is traded off of for life. whats so silly about that. people will adapt they always have.. whats interesting is that the plot being so large and cumbersome was penetrated and shows that the terrorists have serous organizational weaknesses. dont you agree.
 
I am with Anonymous at 6:58, carry on luggage is eliminated and air travel becomes 'hellish'? Ask the stewardess for a bottle of water instead of carrying it on, ask for a pillow instead of bringing one, ask for a magazine instead of reading your own book, ok, this irks me, but what really is 'hellish' is the short distance between my knees and the seat in front of me, not the lack of a carry on bag. Do the security job right and we will all take our chances, happily.
 
Ziv,

What you said makes sense, but.... I hope next time you travel you won't get to sit next to little kids. It was not fun before, but it will be pure hell after these restrictions went into place. I wonder how they're going to deal with babies who need their formula bottles.....
 
You really do not need chewing gum for the mind ... people got along for thousands of years without any of that, on voyages that lasted for months.

Yet some of you think you cannot endure a few hours without your Ipods or imported bottled water.

Time to pull your thumbs out of your mouths ... which should have happened decades ago ...
 
Even a Right Wing nutcase, such as yourself, would have to admit that Goss really had to screw things up to get fired by George Bush after less than a year on the job. Now compare Goss with Rumsfeld who is such a complete failure that even Republicans such as Joe Lieberman and William Kristol have taken to openly criticizing him. Then notice that even the Daffy Donald is still on the job.
 
I though that this comment by Patric Porter was particulaly intelligent and very relevent.

From a Justice in Africa
 
"Yet some of you think you cannot endure a few hours without your Ipods or imported bottled water."

You're thinking too litterally, and not consequentially.

Firstly, it isn't that people will miss having imported water on the plane, but that people will miss out on the freedom of choice.

Secondly, the response to the terror plot has been blown out of proportion once again to perpetuate terror and instill fear. You can not have terrorism without terror, and terror is exactly what is instilled when Brits call it "mass murder on an unimaginable scale," and Bush calls it "islamic fascists [threatening freedom]. " These colloquial and nebulous statements do nothing to guarantee safety and security, and everything to justify increased military expansion into the middle east.
 
Ziv,

The point is that on the basis of an attack that was never even executed, tens of thousands of people have been delayed, millions will be inconvenienced, and the whole thing will probably cost billions in lost airline revenue (including duty free shopping revenue) and millions spent on new sensors and increased security.

All this because of the actions of some twenty people. Foiling the attack might have very greatly reduced the cost to society of these people's supposed determination to cause harm, but it will still involve costs out of all proportions to the means available to the alleged bombers.
 
The threat of living in a closed society is not more awful than the prospect of an immediate coffin in the drink, though most of us choose to avoid both. Millions of air travelers are now seasoned terror warriors, and it is impressive how unfazed they are, or at least 99.9 per cent of them, in the presence of this Dark Ages savagery. They have just resolved they will fly, as the Iraqi people had resolved they would vote. They are praying to avoid both the quick coffin and the life of a closed society. They are hanging in there to allow the IDF, DOD, FBI, CIA and POTUS, etc., make the world safe for democracy, and let's the rest of us do the same.
 
"The threat of living in a closed society is not more awful than the prospect of an immediate coffin in the drink."

This doesn't at all sound like Patrick Henry, "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death," even after fighting through the use of double negatives. It sounds more chicken-hearted.

I'd rather keep our open society, if you don't mind.
 
I don't care who you are, you shouldn't be allowed to take any Snakes on any motherfuckin' Plane.
 
"I am with Anonymous at 6:58, carry on luggage is eliminated and air travel becomes 'hellish'?"

Not necessarily.

But now that all our laptops, iPods and cell phones have to be checked - and that most airlines damand we leave our bags unlocked - the prospect of this being the new golden age of luggage thieves IS hellish.
 
"Time to pull your thumbs out of your mouths ... which should have happened decades ago ... "

Excellent point! It's about time the pussies had some say over the cry babies.

LOOK OUT!!! HE'S GOT A BOOK!!! MOOOOOMMMMIIIEEEE!!!!!
 
"How about you really answer my question. That's a dumb question because I know you won't answer it. The Left has been insisting that armored divisions and Apache helicopters in Iraq are diverting 'resources' away from domestic security. Now that the Brits have successfully stopped a major attack, without the use of their armed forces, will the Left stop insisting on making borderline retarded/illogical arguments? I don't have high hopes."

No, they probably won't.

And call me crazy, but... maybe the reason they won't is because only 3 percent of Britain's armed forces are in Iraq?

Otherwise, thanks for the laugh.
 
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