Thursday, April 23, 2009
# Posted 4:12 PM by Ariel David Adesnik
WALLACE: One of the concerns about the memos is the lengths to which the Justice Department went to justify some of the techniques.Cross-posted at Conventional Folly (9) opinions -- Add your opinion
...and home of the semi-brave, at times, well...if the CULTure says it's AOK...they were only followin' orders.
"Torture" is a useless term. It's meaning is purely definitional--if there is a consensus that waterboarding is torture, then it is. No consensus, no torture.
And as far as the government is concerned, it seems to me the consensus that matters is our elected officials and the administrative bodies they create.
They haven't said it's torture, so it's not torture. It's that simple. This pestering of Gen. Hayden is mere posturing, typical talk-show hokum.
I prefer Gen. Hayden's approach--forget the label and decide based on what you're actually talking about. Is the method appropriate under the current conditions? He answered "no", as I'd like to think I would have.
I've written about Nir Rosen before over at Iraqi Bloggers Central, and I thought that you'd enjoy reading what happened when he and As'ad AbuKhalil (Angry Arab) argued about his reporting from Baghdad:
The Defenestration of Comrade Nir Rosen.--
Nir and I exchanged several e-mails, verifying some of its claims.
Certainly you're aware that the US prosecuted Japanese soldiers after WWII for waterboarding US prisoners.
What's sauce for the goose . . .
You're being deliberately disingenuous. If waterboarding committed against US troops forty years before the Convention Against Torture was signed by President Reagan, why should it be acceptable twenty years after the CAT was signed by Reagan and and fourteen years after the enabling legislation aka the Torture Statute, aka the law was signed into law?
Waterboarding is torture, period.
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